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In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

07 September 2025 - 06:08 PM

This week Jujutsu Kaisen starts a Sci-fi sequel Modulo. The leads are the grandchildren of Yuta and Maki the protagonist of the movie and the senpai of the main cast. Well, its smart to use an already establish IP with a built in audience instead of creating a new one whole cloth. He also used grandchild instead of children and from a pairing no one had issues with.

 

Hopefully this one works out better than Kishimoto's did.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

03 September 2025 - 04:35 AM

I haven't finished Demon Slayer, (idk why, I started it, it was good, life just got in the way, lol) but I got the feeling like he was the Naruto Kishimoto was trying to write. An untarnished hero.

 

But...Kisihimoto always made Naruto the but of jokes too. Stupid or falling behind as a kid/teen/young adult, then a terrible dad as an adult. And not much of a hokage either. (I didn't watch Boruto. Just. Can't. Do. It. So, let me know if my opinion is wrong about that.) He was supposed to overcome his terrible past to become the hero, but Kishimoto just kept screwing him over.

 

Maybe it's just me. Anyway, when I watched Demon Slayer, Tanjiro felt like Naruto, without Kishimoto tripping him up all the time.

Demon Slayer is sort of what Naruto should have been and kind of was until Yahagi left.

 

What I mean by that is. Demon Slayer doesn't really slow down and it doesn't try to be super deep. If I had to describe it in a word its lean. It doesn't waste any time and is constantly progressing its story, every chapter has a point.

 

Its arcs once it gets going can be sum up as, the main cast is sent on a mission to kill a powerful demon, after their victory they under go training, and then they are sent out against even stronger demons. Rinse and repeat until they are facing the Big Bad's Elites.

 

The goal of the main character is simple; he wants to find a cure for his sister and avenge his family who were killed by the big bad. The message of the story is; no matter how traumatic an event you can't become trapped in it and need to move forward and live your life. All the demons are trapped in their trauma because of the big bad and the only way to move forward is to be killed the the protagonist and the other slayers. This simplicity allowed the mangaka to keep the story constantly focused and moving while still exploring their characters.

 

One of the problems with Naruto was that Yahagi had Kishimoto on a lean story while he was editor. Once he was gone, Kishimoto decided to make his story deep to justify its length. The problem was that it didn't have the build up/framework to be deep. It was an especially bad idea to start it on the final arc of the story.

 

It also didn't help that Kishimoto never focused on Naruto's goal or had a clear theme/message for the manga.

 

Naruto's goal is to become hokage but that was waylaid by the chase after Sasuke for so much of the story it doesn't matter because it never got focused on.

 

The message? If it had stayed on message we are people not cog in a message. Or something like that. Maybe never give up which most would claim, but then Naruto gives up at the end. Cycle of Hatred, since that became the message for the chase after Sasuke though it doesn't really work for Naruto.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

02 September 2025 - 01:49 PM

Yet they had no problems when the last did this to Naruto for Sakura.  :lmao:

In Japan, that pretty much destroyed Naruto's reputation and made him a scumbag in their eyes. To the point, I do think that it did eventually went from being completely canon to semi-canon.

 

In the West, as long as Naruto only loves Hinata they do not care how bad it makes him look, because the worst is apparently not loving only Hinata and him caring about anything else.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

01 September 2025 - 07:48 PM

At one point they will because Naruto became a brand. It transcended beyond just being a manga. It's a brand and they will use that.

The question now is when? And also will they learn their lesson? There would be no point in making something new if they just do the same thing.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Whenever Boruto is over/Ikemoto's contract is up/when they need a IP that can make them money.

 

Again, SJ isn't lacking in IP at the moment that are making them money. Likely why Part one was ended, was that Boruto's peers were all ending at the point and it was making them look at it. To realize Ikemoto was wasting time and his story was in a rut that could have part one last for 15 years on its own. Which would be nice if it was profitable, which everyone knows wasn't that case. So if we wait for the current batch to end, as Ikemoto is failling back into bad habits, they will look at part two again see waste and order it to finish. Which can be about 5 years. Granted shounen manga aren't going on for as long as during Naruto's time. Kill Blue that just ended finished before the first episode of its anime aired.

 

I think Ikemoto is in a 60 chapter contract as that's around the time Kodaichi was "let go" as his contract is up. 120 of Boruto in total chapters is 40 of part two which is 15 chapters/months from now. If they changed it to 60 chapters for part two 35 Chapters/Months from now.

 

Boruto is pretty much designed to go on forever due to its abysmal pace. From the start of part two Bolt has had three goals: defeat Punk, defeat the Tree people, Defeat Nail to release his parents. Now those could all be resolved in a single fight or he can make it go on forever.

 

It really is just how long until the company gets sick of the situation and just ends it.

 

As for will they change it? If they do continue it, they have no choice. Boruto is seen as such a black mark even by Pro-ending fans that keeping it canon only hurts the IP. Kishimoto was always a reluctant supporter of nH/SS, he only had them because he was told they would be profitable...which they clearly haven't.

In Topic: The Great Naruto Discussion Thread

01 September 2025 - 03:20 PM

Apparently Youtube has decided Vtubers talking about Naruto is what I want to watch.
 
Here is one that goes off on Sakura.
 
 
Naruto was ok, Shippuden was mid, and Boruto was bad.
 
Part of it was complaining about Sakura was suppose to be equal to Naruto and Sasuke during the war arc, when they entire audience could tell her was not. The scene she got the forehead seal. Again this is largely the fault of Kishimoto never focusing on her power development like he did Naruto and Sasuke due to his held belief rivals needed to be equal in power. She really needed wood release.
 
The other part is the Sakura was a kitten for pretending to like Naruto to use him to get Sasuke. That is a misunderstanding a lot of fans have from the False Confession scene. It was suppose to be Sakura does having strong feelings but she can't let go of Sasuke due to unresolved feelings for him. The ending enforced this misunderstanding in fans and so reenforced her negative reputation. She felt Sakura should have gotten with Naruto because he was with her through out everything, and her being with Sasuke doesn't make sense.
 
The V Tuber has over a million followers.
 
For the video at the moment the only comment is (not mine): "Sakura/Sasuke romance can simply be sum up as "physical attractiveness" and nothing more."